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Sunday, May 3, 2009

Chat log: RL/SL Crossover

On Saturday May 2 I hosted a public group discussion on RL/SL Crossover. It was a fabulous success and a lot of fun. You can't imagine how happy I am to see our little SL art community getting together in person, making new connections and sharing ideas on this virtual art revolution we are all pioneering and exploring. If you have any thoughts, please post some comments!

Sasun Steinbeck: well let's get started! Welcome everyone! 33 people here so we're going to be a tad laggy
Sasun Steinbeck: I'm very excited about this discussion! First a quick reminder of the rules
Sasun Steinbeck: 1) Keep questions on topic - RL/SL crossover. Let's not stray too far.
Sasun Steinbeck: 2) Don't dominate the Q&A. Let others get their questions in.
Filthy Fluno: here she goes with her rules again... jeeeeesh
Sasun Steinbeck: LOL shaddup
Sasun Steinbeck: 3) Don't get upset. Take a deep breath and keep calm. Don't take anything personally!
Filthy Fluno: k
Esch Snoats: 4) Ignore Filthy
Sasun Steinbeck: 4) Sometimes questions are lost in a flurry of text. Be patient, wait and ask again.
Sasun Steinbeck: LOL
Goose Wycliffe: lol
Sasun Steinbeck: 5) Join the Art Gallery Owner's group to stay informed about future events!
Sasun Steinbeck: and with that let me go over the format real quick, this is going to be just a big open discussion, what I'm hoping to do is have some people share their experiences with RL/SL "crossover" - whatever that may mean to you, so we can all learn from what you've done
Sasun Steinbeck: and ask each other lots of questions
Sasun Steinbeck: I've seen some awesome examples of crossover in action and would love to hear about some experiments and what has worked... or not... for you
Filthy Fluno: can i just start off by congratulating and thanking Sasun for the work she does... i wrote an article for Art Calendar magazine this July and highlighted her website for the great gallery list.
Sasun Steinbeck: aw thank you!
Alanah Wildcat: .-'`'-. APPLAUSE APPLAUSE .-'`'-.
Teal Freenote: yes very true... yay Sasum
Sasun Steinbeck curtseys
Goose Wycliffe: yes thanks Sasun for all you do
Filthy Fluno: go to the stores and pick it up.. its not inworld, but in print and on their web
Sasun Steinbeck: if you IM me, there will be delays, btw :) I'm swamped
Sasun Steinbeck: I really wanted Filthy to be here to talk about what he's learned about crossing over into RL
Sasun Steinbeck: so Filthy maybe you can start
Sasun Steinbeck: we can all learn from you!
Filthy Fluno: ok... first thing I've learned is that its no fucking picnic
Sasun Steinbeck: tell us the secret
Sasun Steinbeck: :D
Katydid Something: LOL
Carabella Babii: :)
Filthy Fluno: long hours... aggrivation with technology not living up to what it could be
Filthy Fluno: and managing a RL and SL simultaneous event takes a good team of people
Filthy Fluno: that stuff aside...
Filthy Fluno: the crossovers happen all over the place
Filthy Fluno: i've found SL'ers to be some of the most generous mentors to newbie artists looking to experience this world
Filthy Fluno: i mean.. .just last night a huge party of mentors and volunteers
Filthy Fluno: it was fantastic music, art, design....
Filthy Fluno: socializing was also off the charts
Molly Montale: http://www.artcalendar.com/home.asp
Filthy Fluno: thanks molly!
Filthy Fluno: so when you can mix a cool SL crowd into a RL event...
Binary Quandry accepted your inventory offer.
Filthy Fluno: it creates intrigue on both ends
Alizarin Goldflake: nice seat Innovart :)
Corcosman Voom: Third try
Kristine Kristan: Hello Corcos!
Filthy Fluno: i see it not only as artistic intrigue
Filthy Fluno: but social intrigue
Filthy Fluno: to mix the two once in a while really can be potent
Filthy Fluno: my paintings are also a RL/SL gateway
Filthy Fluno: so i like to draw inspiration from both worlds
Goose Wycliffe: well isn't half the battle with selling your art the social side....... getting to meet people and seeing new are
Goose Wycliffe: art
Filthy Fluno: yes... but i'm not talking about selling atm
Zena Zemlja: yay, made it
Filthy Fluno: i'm saying.... i do a painting about the steam engine train up the street from my gallery in lowell and i mix it with SL imagery
Filthy Fluno: so two points of view... one from the inworld, one from out here in lowell.. .where ever the painting happens to be displayed...
Sasun Steinbeck: just a quick reminder for everyone to please REMOVE all non-critical scripted objects and turn off AO's pls
Filthy Fluno: yup
Goose Wycliffe: and everyone strip down nakie
Kiya McMahon: okay Filthy.. that's clear.. but how do you get rl people interested in sl stuff?
Kiya McMahon: LOL Goose
Mar Dwi takes of his shoes. sorry for the smell guys
Corcosman Voom: Bald will do nicely, Goose
StarZ33 McCullough: hehee...Mar
Esch Snoats: Mar, we're use to Filthy's smell, so no worries
Filthy Fluno: i do it by running a RL gallery that's dedicated to exhibits and events tht mix RL and SL arts, artists, and events
Carabella Babii: Filthy you run a gallery but how to get a gallery owner to be interested
Kiya McMahon: and do you explain about SL and what it is and how it works?
Kristine Kristan: Hello all, I am fairly new (3 months) to SL but I have a small gallery that I feature real life artists in....my brother and good friend -
Inovart Tedeschi: Filthy . . . you run a RL gallery focused on your own work? Or do you also exhibit other artists?
StarZ33 McCullough: Hello Kristine
Filthy Fluno: i exhibit other artists
Betty Tureaud: do enything works in SL
Kristine Kristan: I made SL analagous to a website
Filthy Fluno: http://www.counterpartgallery.com
Kristine Kristan: in 3d
Filthy Fluno: good question Kiya
Filthy Fluno: there's many ways I suppose
Sasun Steinbeck: Done!
Kristine Kristan: to explain to them, it seemed to work
Filthy Fluno: first is that I'm always ready to show my stuff
Corcosman Voom: A portfolio
Filthy Fluno: kristine... its much more powerful than just a 3d web
Filthy Fluno: in my opinoin
Filthy Fluno: its interactions within the environment more
Kristine Kristan: I know that, butut when explaining in the beieinning, it helped them get it
Betty Tureaud: ???????????
Filthy Fluno: ok yea... i gotcha
Kristine Kristan: Yes, I used the example that ratherthan static text oof a website
Kristine Kristan: I as gallery owner would interact w patron
Filthy Fluno: nice
GM Nikolaidis: I was fortunate enough to have some rl success selling sl images, due to the fact that the coffee shop owner knew what sl was. No explanation needed. Then viewers were intrigued enough to ask further
Filthy Fluno: cool GM
StarZ33 McCullough: Cool GM
StarZ33 McCullough: haha
Sasun Steinbeck: after Filthy I'd love to hear about someone's experience with a specific RL/SL crossover event and how it went
Goose Wycliffe: awsome GM
Corcosman Voom: I would think approaching a gallery about SL art would be just like any other art. Digital works and installations are not foreign concepts these days.
Filthy Fluno: oh.. btw.. they don't always go as expected
Filthy Fluno: lol
Davideo Zelnik: "sl images" is interesting to me...
Filthy Fluno: most of the time.. there's gliches
Kiya McMahon: hmm and I think that is it most.. coz SL seems to be a far away some virtual game to most people it's pretty hard explaining them from SL->RL
Katydid Something: For a look at Filthy's media sucess see http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/08/magazine/08fluno-t.html
Filthy Fluno: you just gotta roll with them
Davideo Zelnik: do some see it as paintings? or photos? or ?
Corcosman Voom: Does it matter if it is good?
Briarrose Nightfire: I haven't used this with an art gallery yet, but I created an AV specifically for guests to come inworld. Has a coupleof different looks (male/female/ethnic variety) -- to enable someone to come inworld without having to go through the long learning curve.
Corcosman Voom: Or.. if it is good, it does not matter : )
Filthy Fluno: i really like the term "digital impressionism" I believe someone from Avatrait gallery used that term a while ago
Davideo Zelnik: I observe a lot of RL art in SL...
Sasun Steinbeck: If anyone takes photos of the event, I'd love to have a copy! thank you :)
Molly Montale: http://rhizomatic.wordpress.com/
GM Nikolaidis: digital art is a good catch-all, but on my linkedin page I refer to it as v-photography. Maybe I'll copyright it :P
GM Nikolaidis: (kidding)
Kristine Kristan: That's a great idea Briarrose
Davideo Zelnik: and the best for me is... SL art in SL/
Filthy Fluno: that's a cool one GM
cre8tivefemme Chemistry: :)
Alizarin Goldflake: yes, virtual photograph works!
Filthy Fluno: another concept of crossover, is the idea that I can make somewhat of a traditional painting or drawing and then collaborate with an SL inworld artist to make it into a 3D virtual version
Sowa Mai: the thing that seperates sl art from digital art or web based art is the interaction its almost like social media art in that the viewers are in the the art
GM Nikolaidis: awesome Filthy!
Davideo Zelnik: Orange County Museum of Art has an exhibit on now, includes Machinima of SL !! :-)
Alanah Wildcat: : )
Sasun Steinbeck: wow Davideo that's very exciting
Filthy Fluno: sowa... its a great discussion to have... making art in a world that is ART
Sowa Mai: machinima is still static and not interactive
cre8tivefemme Chemistry: bravo :)
Davideo Zelnik: a portal from SL into museum of RL
Filthy Fluno: makes the old bowl of fruit on the table seem boring, as beautiful as it may be
Alizarin Goldflake: immersive art, Sowa?
Davideo Zelnik: would be great to have more of that.
Filthy Fluno: many museums have featured SL art already
StarZ33 McCullough: Isnt there a Manhattan Live place to go to here in SL......where RL patrons can see us??
Sigfred Rodenberger: In Aarhus, Denmark , the new county art gallery is showing art from Secondlife
Sowa Mai: yes Immersive /interactive
Ally Aeon: yes Brooklyn is Watching
Goose Wycliffe: its Brooklyn Starz33
Corcosman Voom: Brooklyn Is Watching, Star
Filthy Fluno: hey Sasun... there's another project for you... RL museums and galleries that have featured SL art and artists
StarZ33 McCullough: Thats it ALLY!!
Filthy Fluno: can you do that for tomorrow?
StarZ33 McCullough: Thanks.......Love that site
Teal Freenote: lol
Davideo Zelnik: SL-friendly
Sasun Steinbeck: that's an interesting question, maybe what we need is a new type of client that can allowe RL gallery visitors to interact with people/things in SL without sitting down and learning how the SL client works...
StarZ33 McCullough: hehee
Banrion Constantine: Italy has also had SL art in exhibitions through Uqbar.
Sowa Mai: Biw is still outside looking in
Sasun Steinbeck: something completely different and totally intuitive
Ally Aeon: i like that idea Sasun
GM Nikolaidis: like a kiosk Sasun...love that idea
Filthy Fluno: yes. however, another way I've found galleries to get interested in my RL artworks is to call them up and offer them a free demonstration of SL
Sasun Steinbeck: there's a big project for some programmer, get to work on it already!
Filthy Fluno: its a win win for them really
Goose Wycliffe: yes that would be nice
Sowa Mai: I like the idea of renting av's for the exhibit. Keep a stock of alt s for your clientele to experience the work
Sasun Steinbeck: oooo interesting idea Filthy
Davideo Zelnik: maybe a tie-in with SIGGRAPH?
Molly Montale: Filthy, the New West show of 2006 was part of the ISEA annual show and featured SL art. displayed at the RL San Jose art musuem
Sasun Steinbeck: wow Molly
Sasun Steinbeck: that was years ago, too
Davideo Zelnik: ISEA?
Filthy Fluno: cool! yea San Jose is down with the SL art scene
Inovart Tedeschi: One of the Old Testament Prophets
Filthy Fluno: SJMCA as well
Filthy Fluno: and the Tech Museum of Innovation
Filthy Fluno: even though those mofo's turned me down
StarZ33 McCullough: (taking a pic of Filty with some sexy legs sticking out of his belly)
Filthy Fluno: they're still doing great connections and explorations
Filthy Fluno: sadly.. that's my best feature Star... let it rip
StarZ33 McCullough: haha
Cienega Soon: lol
StarZ33 McCullough: is why I havent sat yet.........dont want to sit on someone
Filthy Fluno: so.. let's say there's a gallery in your neighborhood.. and you want to try to get a show
Filthy Fluno: send them your stuff... don't be ashamed of the SL connection (which so many people are) put it right up front
Alizarin Goldflake: why are people ashamed of sl?
Betty Tureaud: its a good idee to combinate Sasun Galleri HUD withe a AVI for fast entering in SL
Sowa Mai: sending stuff does not a gallery get
Alizarin Goldflake: i think that is an interesting phenom
GM Nikolaidis: to many in RL, SL=digital porn
Katydid Something: it's always something new for people who have never heard of it or onlly seen it on TV
Zachh Cale: LOL
StarZ33 McCullough: yep....GM is right....
Corcosman Voom: Approaching a gallery with SL art is just like approaching them with any other art
Filthy Fluno: Alizarin... yes... like digitial porn.. but also... its easy to tag yourself an artist in here so some artists feel like SL potentially waters down what they do as a serious means of self expression
Alizarin Goldflake: so that is the outside world's picture of SL?
StarZ33 McCullough: People think its all about sex...when they hear "Virtual Game"....
Alizarin Goldflake: we gotta change that!
Filthy Fluno: to an extent that's true corocorsman
Sowa Mai: it is a stigma
Filthy Fluno: its getting better
cre8tivefemme Chemistry: when is an artist nt an artist ?
Filthy Fluno: trust me... galleries are catching on
StarZ33 McCullough: Yes!! We do!! and it is getting better...I agree Filthy
Kiya McMahon: it's a stigma. and I think it'll be hard to change the worlds view on that.. but is it something you can use or will it work against you?
Molly Montale: http://blog.electricsheepcompany.com/?p=91
StarZ33 McCullough: all AVis are artists.....Look at us!!!!
Beacara Boa: sorry, Filthy
Filthy Fluno: it doesn't work against me
StarZ33 McCullough: we are gorgeous
GM Nikolaidis: they just need more exposure, and they will begin to understand. Just show a doubter any image by Harry Huffman, and they will be sold ?
Davideo Zelnik: "SL art" is ambiguous, part of the Crossover issue is that Genres and labels are crossing over too, making art confusing
Molly Montale: http://skydeas.smugmug.com/gallery/1779243#88517607_6dUx6
Kiya McMahon: True Davideo
Doran Forzane: Technically SL is a MMO. however it is also the only developed virtual colaboration tool of its kind at present.
Nima Benoir: It's only ambiguous because right now it defys definition
Davideo Zelnik: what is art when there is so much art is a wonderful challenge... but a challenge
Teal Freenote: well we faced the same thing with "digital art"
Sowa Mai: what is your goal in being in a gallery? to be famous? to sell stuff? to be noticed?
StarZ33 McCullough: To share.......
Davideo Zelnik: ultimate questions
Filthy Fluno: i say... if you're art isn't blowing them away on the RL gallery scene, why not take another approach... tell the gallery you can help them have a presence in SL
Betty Tureaud: Alpine Executive Center & Ice Caverns are proud to announce the Ice Sculpture Contest to choose a work to be shown on a Product Lauch Day of Unisys Corporation.
Katydid Something: But I have seen some great totally SL based art which is has artisitc as any RL art
Carabella Babii: Good suggestion Filthy
Teal Freenote: very intersting Filthy
Filthy Fluno: its RL art when the person behind the avatar makes a RL emotional connection with it
Briarrose Nightfire: I've been working a lot lately in SL photography - and noticing how the images I create/document are very painterly. Ican imagine taking the original digital version & making a RL oil painting from them...except I don't have the RL materials I need to do so. So I have been wondering if the digital version would be acceptable.
Sowa Mai: yes it is Briarose
Filthy Fluno: digital art is acceptable all over the place
Timothy Berkmans: Well, it really is about trying to use all the mediums to your advantage.
Teal Freenote: Dont know why not Briar...
StarZ33 McCullough: Of course Briarrose
Alizarin Goldflake: why not Briarrose?
Sowa Mai: it is what it is
Teal Freenote: if you do a nice print
Briarrose Nightfire: i don't know -- i guess because part of what MAKES the work is someone else's art
Filthy Fluno: that's a good point briar
Filthy Fluno: i think artists should always be sited
GM Nikolaidis: not everyone is going to like sl-art, just like not everyone likes charcoal drawings
Filthy Fluno: if you take a cool pic that totally abstracts someone's immersive sculpture.. .you need to say that
Alizarin Goldflake: any image that is in the public view is in the public domain
Sowa Mai: seated?
GM Nikolaidis: for those that do like it, make good stuff
Corcosman Voom: cited
Briarrose Nightfire: right now i am doing a lot of realy wonderful shoots at romantic fantasy sim
Sowa Mai: oh
Corcosman Voom: as in citation
Fasttoes Foden: Briar, if you paint a RL building then isnt that the work of the architect
Briarrose Nightfire: and the builder to me is an artists
Fasttoes Foden: but its still your art
Alizarin Goldflake: firhgt Fasttoes
Briarrose Nightfire: ah but all i needed to do was point and click
GM Nikolaidis: I strongly disagree Briarose
Fasttoes Foden: its about how you interpet the subject
Cienega Soon: do you that photo or paint in RL actually mention all the artists involved inyour image. landscaping, buildings, clothing, etc
Filthy Fluno: yes.. still your art... its an ambiguous question to answer
Kiya McMahon: yes but that is like citing teh builder and architect in rl as well when you shoot the eiffel tower?
GM Nikolaidis: you set up angles, lighting, the entire scene
Life Charron: but you decide the angolation,prospective
Alizarin Goldflake: people take rl photos or rl buildings and sell them as their art
Briarrose Nightfire: i suppose it could be considered similar to documentary phtograpy
Filthy Fluno: probably personal preference wins out at this time
Molly Montale: something that I think is very cool is how Iris Ophelia works for a RL childrens magazine in canada. she has used pictures she has made in SL to illustrate short stories in print edition of the magazine. some are seen here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bleatingheart/sets/72157594230147766/
Alizarin Goldflake: cool Molly!
Filthy Fluno: nice
Cienega Soon: its public here just as well in RL
Filthy Fluno: very cool
Sasun Steinbeck: wow very cool
Goose Wycliffe: yes also when you take an sl snapshot it is of a unique point of view or perspective that othere may never have seen otherwise
StarZ33 McCullough: I would just site the location of the place the photo is taken at......
StarZ33 McCullough: it is still your ART
Alizarin Goldflake: Juanita DeHaro made some builds for a german childrens book
Mar Dwi: if I take a picture of Sasun. Do I have to cite who created her skin, her hair, her jacket, her skirt and her knickers?
StarZ33 McCullough: hehee..Mar
Cienega Soon: yes Star
Force Kaul: Very cool Molly
Sowa Mai: an art group i belong to recently had a lengthy debate about if we should allow photographers in. Seems a lot of the artists felt that photography wasnt art. so good luck with sl ,digital, and whatever is next. The new will always face barriers
Filthy Fluno: depends on how you are presenting it Mar
Briarrose Nightfire: i know it reflects my own vision, but i am just so appreciative of the work that went into building the sim
Sasun Steinbeck: no one is citing my knickers, thank you!
Alizarin Goldflake: true Sowa
GM Nikolaidis: lol
Kristine Kristan: lol
Filthy Fluno: been there done that sasun
Filthy Fluno: lol
Whet Snoodle: lol
Timothy Berkmans: lol
Sasun Steinbeck: LOL
StarZ33 McCullough: but if Sasun was advertising those knickers....than the artist would be sited
Filthy Fluno: but to get back to crossover
Teal Freenote: uh oh
Katydid Something: yes!
StarZ33 McCullough: giggling
Force Kaul: I found we had 10 times as many view of our website portal for our exhbition than we did SL visitors.
Filthy Fluno: if you take an SL photo into a RL gallery curator or director
Life Charron: we all can take apicture of sasun and each of us would make a different picture - interpretation...its aquestion of "eye"
Filthy Fluno: they're going to want to know about it
StarZ33 McCullough: YES LIFE!!! that is excellent
Filthy Fluno: and when they ask... what is this building there? you should have a good answer
Life Charron: :)
StarZ33 McCullough: we all would make a differernt piece
Force Kaul: http://forceplanet.com/pages/hothouse_flowers/hothouse_flowers.html
Cienega Soon: i agree Filthy
Filthy Fluno: not like... oh I don't know really... someone made it
Life Charron: and who looks at...can make different considerations
Zena Zemlja: 'taking a picture '= photography = art
Life Charron: see or not see things we want to highlight
Corcosman Voom agrees with Filthy's point
Force Kaul: It seems like a basic part of the crossover has to be a web portal of some kind
Filthy Fluno: that shows you are using an artistic mind to them... not necessarily to other artists though.. but for the crossover, you gotta be prepared for some semi-retarded questioning
Goose Wycliffe: the VAA Photo hunt is a very good example
Alizarin Goldflake: hhee
GM Nikolaidis: like, "so it's a screenshot of a game then?"
Sowa Mai: I dont think the simeltaneous rl/sl exhibit needs to be connected by electronics. I think we can have the shows a similar theme, photos of each,they dont even need to have their openings at the same time
Zachh Cale: Well what is the point of crossover? Compelling art is just what it is, either it grabs you or it doesn't regardless of its source.
Filthy Fluno: I agree Force... you gotta be prepared to show in many formats these days
Goose Wycliffe: 15 avs shoot photos in the same sim for and HOur
Goose Wycliffe: and not any two are the same photo
Filthy Fluno: well.. making art compelling is a whole other discussion Zachh
Molly Montale: that we have control of subject, props, lighting, even depth of field in SL makes it far more than screen shots to me
Force Kaul: I just think that your primary audience can't or won't come to sl is all
Filthy Fluno: the point of crossover is for some artists who might like to sell art objects in both worlds
Sowa Mai: its just as well the lag can be terrible
Alizarin Goldflake: why do we find the idea of crossovers so intriguing, I wonder
Filthy Fluno: and for creative institutions and galleries to tap into a very interesting virtual audience and marketplace
Alizarin Goldflake: good Filthy
Corcosman Voom: Because we love SL and want to show it off to the world, Ali?
Sowa Mai: good question Alizarin
Ally Aeon: well to the point of crossover you have an audience that is global
Zachh Cale: What is the advantage to a RL gallery or museum to show "SL" art? That is another question, than looking outwards from SL
Filthy Fluno: yay
Davideo Zelnik: SL and Art are very existential primal experiences
StarZ33 McCullough: Cause we are Artists...and Artists like to "share what they see"
Banrion Constantine: To share our experiences, open to a wider audience.
Ally Aeon: as opose to a gallery around the corner
Alizarin Goldflake: i kind of feel like columbus going back to spain and saying you wont believe what i just discovered
Sowa Mai: I like that hsare what we see
Timothy Berkmans: the reason why we find crossovers interesting, because SL is a relfection of us
Ally Aeon: so crossover is an interssting concept
Davideo Zelnik: wonderful Aliz
Filthy Fluno: the difference is audience and acceptance into a somewhat fucked up community
Filthy Fluno: lol
StarZ33 McCullough: SL is ALL ART!!! Everything out here is ART....I enjoy sharing it......
Sowa Mai: a new aspect of us?
Cienega Soon: lol AliZarin
Filthy Fluno: the RL art world is nuts ya know
Timothy Berkmans: perhaps, Sowa
Force Kaul: Well, unless you have the eye of the Lindens to help you promote your work you have to use the web to find your audience
Force Kaul: Sl cannont exist in a vacuum
StarZ33 McCullough: haha...Filthy.....!!! Isnt in SL too?? Nuts!!??
Sowa Mai: some people have huge flickr followings
StarZ33 McCullough: yes......!! Flickr is an awesome tool
Cienega Soon: and some dont
Life Charron: also facebook works well
Zena Zemlja: some sl art ill ony work in sl like sculptures and some wil only work in rl, like rl sculptures, you'll never be able to get an exact virtual copy
Filthy Fluno: some people are not interesting in selling their artwork
Molly Montale: the Dresden gallery said that they have as many unique visistors monthly at their SL meseum as they have at the RL museum. the average stay for a visitor is virtually the same, too, around 45 minutes
Goose Wycliffe: well we all are a bit nuts
Filthy Fluno: and that's totally find and cool and dandy
Goose Wycliffe: its what makes life interesting
Filthy Fluno: when they "have to" it changes the equations
Corcosman Voom: : )
Cienega Soon: artists are lovely nuts
Betty Tureaud: yes ther is a lot off crak pots in SL but wow i love them
StarZ33 McCullough: hehehe..Yes...Cienega......we All art Lovely Nuts!!!!
Kiya McMahon: LOl Cien
Molly Montale: BTW... map shows 58 people here right now :)
Betty Tureaud: lol
Sasun Steinbeck: I'd like to pause the discussion for a moment and do some quick introductions. Everyone please type in who you are and what you do now so we can read it back in the chat log later. This will be great for making some new connections
Sowa Mai: How do you define success in the arts in SL, and what should artists strive for?
Filthy Fluno: I'm filthy fluno and I'm a one armed virtual paper hanger
Sowa Mai: Iam
Filthy Fluno: success is going to be different for each artist I think
KimLenswomanPhotographer Writer: KimGottlieb-Walker, RL Photographer for 40 years
Sasun Steinbeck: My name is Sasun Steinbeck and I am the group owner of the Art Gallery Owner group and maintainer of the Galleries of SL list at http://sl-artgalleries.blogspot.com
Zachh Cale: SL is just a medium unless you believe the medium is the message lol
Timothy Berkmans: Timothy Berkmans, Owner of Erotic Leigh Gallery at Third Life
Alizarin Goldflake: Alizarin Goldflake - immersive art in SL - digital drawings and abstract collages in rl - www.marthavista.com
Korgi Lerwick: Hard to know how to define that Sowa..... compliments are unreliable are they are so easily given in here
Briarrose Nightfire: Briarrose Nightfire - i have run a coule of galleries showing my own work - i do both RL and SLart
Kiya McMahon: I'm Mc Mahon and with lolmac Shan we have the LW Gallery and we are both photographers as well.. as I am in rl
Force Kaul: I am Force Kaul and i am the owner of Force Planet http://forceplanet.com
GM Nikolaidis: I'm GM Nikolaidis, I do virtual photography (1.5 yrs), rl photography (long time), and clothing design
Ally Aeon: Artist & Designer in both worlds virtual and physical
Sowa Mai: just a medium!!!!
Mater Rhode: Mater Rhode, Curator of the Untold Ark Gallery, weshow 30+ artist
Catriana Ninetails: I'm Cat Ninetails, owner of Better World Gallery, I host monthly showings of sl and rl artists in addition to my own work
Nima Benoir: Hello My name is Nima Benoir artist, dark art and I run a gallery called 19
Filthy Fluno: artists should strive for making art that captures the imagination of themselves and intended audience
Esch Snoats: I'm Esch Snoats, builder of Artropolis, artist for 28 years now working in digital mixed media and photography.
Mar Dwi: Mar Dwi - creator of the SL Art Community Centre, a gallery for 28 artists. Currently working with Cre8tivefemme on a much larger gallery si.
Mar Dwi: sim
Molly Montale: I studied photography for several years so that I can now sell vulgar tee shirts to newbies in Second Life :P
Corcosman Voom: Corcosman Voom, curator of Chilbo Museum, dabbler and ne'er-do-well. Amateur artist for a lifetime.
Beacara Boa: I'm Beacara Boa, LifeArt Gallery, Curator and Art teacher (Germany)
Indigo Mertel: I am Indigo Mertel, I own the East River Community together with Espresso Saarinen where we run the Art'e Gallery
Edgar Artaud: I'm Edgar Artaud, I manage a Mexican Gallery of RL Art in CERV campus in Mujigae
Binary Quandry: Virtual artist - do it for fun, nothing to do with my RL (molecular biologist)
Filthy Fluno: Esch hasn't changed his avatar in 2 years... he's killing us
Em Larsson: My name is Em Larsson. I own the EMporium, Gallery M, and EMinent Interiors (interior design). I do RL photography presented in SL. Minimal RL exposure so far. Also build furniture and do interior design in SL.
Betty Tureaud: I am Betty Tureaud an artrist in RL and SL, owner of Normanisan Straits Art Gallery
Fasttoes Foden: i am disabled, i cannot do art in RL, SL has opened up all kinds of possibilites for me... i operate a keyboard with my toes hence the name
Davideo Zelnik: Davideo Zelnik, owner MetaSpace Art Gallery, painter morphing into animator
Katydid Something: I think one of the coolest things we can exibit to RL is the total emerssion of Art is SL, with music and interactivity. Art here is almost like a "happening" and the SL experience can be shown in RL
Zena Zemlja: I'm Zena and I run several galleries in sl called Body, Mind & Spirit, with art that is either mystical, wiccan, sensual or kinky
Alizarin Goldflake: add to corco's "a great friend to have :)"
Filthy Fluno: fastoes.. that sounds really cool
Esch Snoats: I have too Filth... I'm wearing a different jacket now that LL screwed up my original one :D
Molina Rhode: hello I am Molina Rhode owner of Molina's Gallery.....I'm only doing SL-art...pictures and sculpures :)
Korgi Lerwick: Korgu Lerwick... co-owner of Fotoscope.... a sim for photography.... witha Fotoshop, Freefall, RL and SL galleries..... and a rather unfriendly octopus!
Fasttoes Foden: ty
Fasttoes Foden: it is
Earl Dinkin: Canadian dream artist with 8 secondlife galleries hoping to sell the 696 orginals for $10 million dollars.
Fasttoes Foden: lol
Nathaniel Somerset: I am Nathaniel SOmerset, SL and RL photogrpaher. imagraft photogrpahy is my gallery
Betty Tureaud: ha ha
Sasun Steinbeck: thanks everyone!
Kristine Kristan: I'm Kristine Kristan, I run the K2Gallery in the Chilbo Community where i hosst RL artists and also make virtual glass art.
Carabella Babii: Hello I am Carabella Babii, owner of CB photography, Eclectic Sim, co-owner Eostara Gallery, and private collector
FreeWee Ling: FreeWee LIng, owner of Galerie de la Vie on Artemisia.
Maya Paris: I'm Maya Paris and i make Bluestocking Gallery interactive art projects- sometimes musical
Korgi Lerwick: sheesh... I can't even spell my own name!!!!!
Life Charron: I am Life Charron owner of Streamlife gallery and B/w Photographer.my gallery changes togehter with the changing styles of Artist.Creativity.Sharing.Innovating.New ideas.passion
Filthy Fluno: who what Earl???
Corcosman Voom: Yay, Earl. Good to have a big goal.
Alizarin Goldflake: yay Artemesia!
Briarrose Nightfire: Sasun, I have an idea for some follow-ups to this. It would be great if there were a couple of prims we could add our textures to ((one at a time) so we could do a "show & tell" about our work & get feedback.
Teal Freenote: Teal Freenote - owner Gallery Freenote, Freenote Sculpture Garden, Curator Raglan Shire Tree Gallery, Organizer Raglan Shire Art Walk
Doran Forzane: Doran Forzane, Gallery owner, content creator and systems analyst in RL
Katydid Something: I am Katydid Something and I have a digital imagery gallery in Wichi
Sasun Steinbeck: If anyone has some "RL crossover" experience to share, we'd love to hear! Speak up!
StarZ33 McCullough: Hey everyone...I'm StarZ33 McCullough ..owner of StarZ Art Gallery.....12 artists are featured there
GM Nikolaidis: Katy, that is the coolest name ever
Sisse Singh: My name is Sisse Singh and I am a danish artist in RL and co owner of Shakers art gallery
Katydid Something: TY!
Alanah Wildcat: Alanah Wildcat Photographer and Curator Of the Mysts
Teal Freenote: I show sl images of my rl digital work, have sold a couple rl pieces that way
StarZ33 McCullough: hah..StarZ Art Corner..........(I cant type either)
Sasun Steinbeck: we have 10 minutes left so get those questions in, too
Alizarin Goldflake: well I worked with Misprint Thursday on a SL presentation in the Boston Public Library last satuday
Cienega Soon: my name is Cienega Soon I own Cienega Soon gallery on my Misali Island, I am an artist mentor. I own Juicy Gallery for exhibiting new SL artists http:/www.cienegasoon.com, SL resident since 12/06
Alizarin Goldflake: filthy was there
Sowa Mai: I did an exhibit in Ny and recreated it in a sl gallery. Just paintings and photos and one piece i redid in sl which was closer to the way i wanted it but couldnt in rl.
KimLenswomanPhotographer Writer: My Warhol photo was seen by someone who represents the RL Warhol gallery and they were very exceited...but they didn't follow up
Corcosman Voom: The Boston Art Mob
Alizarin Goldflake: hehe corco - we had a blast!
Filthy Fluno: holy moly... look at this crowd!
Teal Freenote: And actually I am thinking of some way to reach out to Europe, because the folks in here that buy the virtual rl pieces are 90% European
Mar Dwi: we've been talking about inovative RL/SL crossover stuff. Maybe it's good to mention that many artists create crossover art in a one way direction. By bringing their RL art to SL. In that way, almost all SL artists have experience with cross over art
Sasun Steinbeck: 59 here, wow. I love you all :)
Fasttoes Foden: i have a question... when printing off SL at a high print quality, do you need a special print or is the paper more important
Alizarin Goldflake: point Mar!
Korgi Lerwick: Fotoscope is my RL and my SL photography business....... with parallel websites....... although some RL only folks have shown interest in my SL work no-one has yet considered parting with money for it!
Davideo Zelnik: Can anyone name a SL-friendly gallery in LA?
Sowa Mai: thats interesting to note teal
KimLenswomanPhotographer Writer: And there is a possibility an Amsterdam Gallery may do an exhibit of my photos because of the dutch woman's sim who has a retrospective of my work
Filthy Fluno: very true Mar
StarZ33 McCullough: Yes....I bring in my RL art......every day pretty much.....
Lazlo Yoshikawa: I am the owner of Twilight Art Museum and Gallery. Kerry Streeter manages the Gallery.
Life Charron: true Mar
Alizarin Goldflake: you need a good printer. the right paper, and the right profile
StarZ33 McCullough: LoVE to Share my Worlds with people in SL and in RL
Filthy Fluno: cool Kim!
Alizarin Goldflake: profiles are crucial
Goose Wycliffe: i need to go can someone send me this chat am not feeling well and having trouble following along
Fasttoes Foden: what is a profile
StarZ33 McCullough: ooh.....Goose...hope you feeel better...??
Alizarin Goldflake: tells the printer how much ink to put down
Corcosman Voom: Bye, Goose, rest up
StarZ33 McCullough: think Sasun is copying...
Alizarin Goldflake: different papers have different profiles
Goose Wycliffe: thanks
Timothy Berkmans: bye Goose
Sasun Steinbeck: yep I'm saving a chat log
Teal Freenote: You can consult with a digital printer that does giclees for artists... for printing, they can help
Fasttoes Foden: like glossy etc
Alizarin Goldflake: bye goose feel better
Filthy Fluno: bye gooster
Em Larsson: I'll send it Goose
Em Larsson: Take care.
Life Charron: take care goose
Fasttoes Foden: ok, ty teal
Cienega Soon: high res is important for printing no matter what
Corcosman Voom: Once you are ready for serious printing, have a pro in your area discuss giclee prices
Teal Freenote: yes resolution of the file
Alizarin Goldflake: i print some things at 16 ppi lol
Alizarin Goldflake: there is an exception to everything
Teal Freenote: true Alizarin :)
Fasttoes Foden: ok
Filthy Fluno: lol.. 16 ppi!
Sowa Mai: any artist grants for sl?
Alizarin Goldflake: beautiful pixels!!
Maya Paris: has anyone have an opinion on Imagekind's print-quality?
Filthy Fluno: hey Alizarin... how did you do at the BPL? That stuff looked soooooo killer!
Keokipele Ansar: Keokipele Ansar here . . . Vulcania Graphics & Fine Art . . . http//www.vgafa.com for info on gicleee printing services in RL :))
Alizarin Goldflake: australia gave out $100,000 in artists grants
Keokipele Ansar: http://www.vgafa.com
Davideo Zelnik: This is an amazing group. I am excited to be in such creative and adventurous company :-)
Briarrose Nightfire: oh - is anyone else here using facebook with their avatar's names?
Alizarin Goldflake: ty :)
Teal Freenote: :D
Sasun Steinbeck beams
Alizarin Goldflake: that wasnt 16
Sowa Mai: lets do another meeting Sasun?
Carabella Babii: yes
GM Nikolaidis: yes Briarrose
Indigo Mertel: I am
Filthy Fluno: no... but i know hunderds that do
Life Charron: I am sorry i have to go,thank you Sasun:)byebye everyone
Filthy Fluno: by life
Carabella Babii: to Briarrose question
Kiya McMahon: bye Life
StarZ33 McCullough: Yes.....another meeting would be cool........
Sasun Steinbeck: we sure will Sowa!
Life Charron: bye!!hugs
GM Nikolaidis: bye LIfe
Fasttoes Foden: bye life
StarZ33 McCullough: bye Life
Alizarin Goldflake: we have brought up dozens of topics here that deserve to be explored in more depth
Fasttoes Foden: oooops... we are dead now...
Filthy Fluno: one more crossover aspect... publicity, newspapers, real paper stuff
Catriana Ninetails nods
Davideo Zelnik: very stimulating indeed
Katydid Something: Maybe we could publish facebook names of those who wish to network that way
Briarrose Nightfire: these meetings are always so productive
Nima Benoir: This meeting has that epic feel, we need more!
Kristine Kristan: I'd like to get together with folks, maybe in smaller groups for brainstorming sessions, maybe
Sasun Steinbeck: we have 3 min left so if anyone needs to run off to another appointment or event, I wanted to thank you for coming! please feel free to hang out and chat some more, we'll hang out for a while and chat
Kristine Kristan: as well, less lag
Filthy Fluno: they can really drive people to your artwork... even if most people don't get it... it still will help seperate you from the herd
Sasun Steinbeck: remember to send me your photos of the meeting before you go!
Indigo Mertel: thank you, Sasun!
Terje Chengpang: i've been reticent to expose my sl life into rl - people not in here don't fully get it
zephyru Zapedzki: hi
cre8tivefemme Chemistry: thank you :)
Corcosman Voom: Thanks so much for organizing and hosting us, Sasun
Molly Montale: Sasun, I know of people with the Arkansas State art dept who wanted to be here but had scheduling problems. one conducts classes in SL. the other shows RL art in SL. Also the Dorkbot group would be good to have at a future meeting
Catriana Ninetails: Yes, thank you Sasun
GM Nikolaidis: hardcopy always feels more engaging to me. At the shop where I show some pieces, I'm considering putting together a book of images for a coffee table
Indigo Mertel: bye everyone :)
Kristine Kristan: thank you Sasun
zephyru Zapedzki: i miss the meeting right?
Filthy Fluno: terje... you're an artist... not many people are gonna get you most of the time
Alizarin Goldflake: yes people act like ive lost my mind when i tell them about sl
Whet Snoodle: Whhhoooo! Sasun!
StarZ33 McCullough: Yes....Sasun...thanks for ALL you do for all the Galleries here in SL.....!!!!
Filthy Fluno: i say that very respectfully
Sasun Steinbeck: yes scheduling is always tricky, thank you
Filthy Fluno: i'll shuddup now
Sasun Steinbeck: hi Zeph! Don't worry I'll publish the chat log
Timothy Berkmans: thank for hosting this event, Sasun.. very interesting
Terje Chengpang: haha! right filthy!
Carabella Babii: Thank you Susan
GM Nikolaidis: /chat lag off
Fasttoes Foden: its been good Sasun, ty
Em Larsson: thanks verymuch for going to the trouble of organizing this Sasun.
Force Kaul: Thank you Sasun
zephyru Zapedzki: great idea
Sasun Steinbeck: LOL GM
GM Nikolaidis: ty Sasun
Cienega Soon: Susan is my hero!!!!!!!!!!
Em Larsson: There is obviously huge interest.
Esch Snoats: Thanks Sasun, it's been a long time coming for this meeting. Hope to have more soon
Sasun Steinbeck: you're very welcome!! I love you all!
StarZ33 McCullough: YAY!!!!!
Molly Montale: \o/
GM Nikolaidis: yay, she loves me!
Alizarin Goldflake: we love you!
Nima Benoir: Wonderful Sasun Thanks you!
Davideo Zelnik: Thank you Sasun
Sasun Steinbeck: yeah I need to do these more often and please feel free to pester me if I don't!!
Corcosman Voom applauds mightily
Alanah Wildcat: .-'`'-. APPLAUSE APPLAUSE .-'`'-.
Terje Chengpang: hip hip! SaSUn!!!
Binary Quandry: ty sasun
Em Larsson: lol
Ally Aeon: Thank you Sasun
Kiya McMahon: gawd guys thanks Sasun.. and thank you all for sharing
Alanah Wildcat: YAY! (yay!)
Em Larsson claps
Keokipele Ansar: wohoo ^^
Maya Paris: thanks Sasun
Ally Aeon: also to Filthy
Sasun Steinbeck: thank you :)
Teal Freenote: YAY
Mar Dwi: thank you Sasun. Hope to see more meetings like this in future
Kiya McMahon: sounds pretty AA, I know :-D
Sasun Steinbeck: we sure will!
Ally Aeon: thanks for giving us your insides
Kristine Kristan: ???? APPLAUSE!!! ????
Cienega Soon: ive jotted Susan down in my pestering notebook :)
GM Nikolaidis: thanks Filthy, great ideas you've got in your head
Lazlo Yoshikawa: Thank you Sasun
Cienega Soon: Applause!!!!!
Sasun Steinbeck: BTW this chat log WILL be published, so just FYI
Sasun Steinbeck: let me know if you want me to edit something out :)
GM Nikolaidis: pls delete the stuff I said about Filthy's mom
Sasun Steinbeck: HAHAH
Teal Freenote: hahaha
Kiya McMahon: lol
Sasun Steinbeck: I'm keeping that in
Sowa Mai: lol
Esch Snoats: please delete the stuff that Filthy said
Filthy Fluno: sasun.. .please edit my comments and make me look more smarter
Filthy Fluno: GM!
Sasun Steinbeck: LOL!
Filthy Fluno: how dare you!!!
GM Nikolaidis: LOL
Filthy Fluno: my mom's a brownie making angel!
Cienega Soon: hahah Filthy
Esch Snoats: Yeah but it's not the kind of brownies you can give kids
Alizarin Goldflake: is that how you came out brown?
StarZ33 McCullough: hehee..Esch
Sasun Steinbeck: thank you all again for coming, this was so much fun. I hope you all learned something new or got excited over something you heard today :)
Teal Freenote: Fabulous! Yay to everyone
Sasun Steinbeck: if you're not busy, hang out for a while longer and chat
Filthy Fluno: why does my mom have to come up at art talks people
GM Nikolaidis: ty all for a great, yet hard to follow conversation
Corcosman Voom: And if anyone wants to see how one man does it, visit Filthy's website
Filthy Fluno: she will read the transcripts... and cross you off of her lists
KimLenswomanPhotographer Writer: I'm sorry I got here late...sick in bed...::cough...cough::
StarZ33 McCullough: many Conversations GM.....
Alizarin Goldflake: good thot corco
StarZ33 McCullough: hahah
StarZ33 McCullough: ws fun...
Filthy Fluno: i love you mom!
Molly Montale: Sasun, do you have any upskirt photos? Do you want any??
Teal Freenote: haha
Corcosman Voom: Heh
StarZ33 McCullough: I love your mom too!!!
StarZ33 McCullough: hahaha
Sasun Steinbeck: omg Molly
Kristine Kristan: Have a great day everyone
Lazlo Yoshikawa: I have to return to RL. This was a wonderful gathering ;)
Sasun Steinbeck: LOL
StarZ33 McCullough: see you all.......
Sasun Steinbeck: thanks for coming!
Alizarin Goldflake: molly!!
Esch Snoats: Later all, thanks again!
Mar Dwi: I definately have to some food for thoughts now Sasun. How I can provide more cross over facilities for the artists at the SLACC (and my future art estate)
Whet Snoodle: Bg smile
Lazlo Yoshikawa: thank you
Mater Rhode: RL calls, tata for now
GM Nikolaidis: good day all, and I'm still waiting for those brownies in the mail dude :o)
StarZ33 McCullough: this was GREAT Sasun........!!!
Sasun Steinbeck: excellent Mar
Maya Paris: Bye everyone, thanks for a great meeting
Terje Chengpang: rock on All!
Lazlo Yoshikawa: Bye, all
Sasun Steinbeck: bye bye!
Filthy Fluno: bye bye
StarZ33 McCullough: YAY Mar!!! (I'm one of his Artists ...hehehe)
Kiya McMahon: Thank you all.. and hope to meet you again!
Betty Tureaud: bye bye all
Corcosman Voom: Lag-o-licious
StarZ33 McCullough: bye all.........
cre8tivefemme Chemistry: thank you :)
Molly Montale: nice sim by the way :)
Sasun Steinbeck: you can thank Galea! Our wonderful hostess
EdwardIV Beaumont: interesting meeting...thanks Sasun...take care all..
Sasun Steinbeck: she provided the sim here for us
Cienega Soon: thanks for your attention to details Susan ... you make SL art notiable .. i appreciate your time and efforts
Sasun Steinbeck: thank you Cienega!
Whet Snoodle: Yes apluase
Sasun Steinbeck: You guys make all the work worthwhile, this is the best community in SL hands down
Katydid Something: Thanks Sasun! Great meeting! Everyone have a great day!
Cienega Soon: :)
Sasun Steinbeck: :)
KimLenswomanPhotographer Writer: absolutely!
Terje Chengpang: excellent group!


Sasun Steinbeck: well now is a good time to go completely off topic but of interest to gallery owners
Alizarin Goldflake: ok over and out for Ali
Alizarin Goldflake: thanks sooo much - this was great
Sasun Steinbeck: if anyone has any comments or questions for the group, go for it. We're just hanging out chatting at this point
Sasun Steinbeck: thank you Alizarin :)
Alizarin Goldflake: :)
Briarrose Nightfire: ok back to work -- thank you sasun & everybody --this has been great, and inspiring, & it came at just the right time for me!
Whet Snoodle: Now.. If I can onlt get this many per day at my gallery... *laughing
Sasun Steinbeck: LOL
Sasun Steinbeck: I'm amazed we never crashed the sim hehe
Filthy Fluno: good seeing you again briarrose
Terje Chengpang: very good to see you all!
Filthy Fluno: seeya sasun!
Sasun Steinbeck: seeya Filthy!
Fasttoes Foden: we will have to do these meetings on location in galleries... maybe
Sasun Steinbeck: thanks so much for coming
Filthy Fluno: gives esch the finger
Sasun Steinbeck: LOL
Whet Snoodle: lol
Sasun Steinbeck: Fasttoes I usually set top priority to lag
Doran Forzane: na, didnt come close to crashing it. I was watching its resources
zephyru Zapedzki: well i hope next time im not the out of time man again
Sasun Steinbeck: this is the perfect sim
Fasttoes Foden: i guesss so
Alanah Wildcat: bye Sasun thanks so much
KimLenswomanPhotographer Writer: You can use my love-in park for a meeting anytime
Sasun Steinbeck: not a lot of textures around to rez and very low script activity here
zephyru Zapedzki: see you all soon, ty Sasun
zephyru Zapedzki: bye
Sasun Steinbeck: bye bye!
Mar Dwi agrees with Sasun: I diden't crash
Sasun Steinbeck: yeah it's a miracle lol
Davideo Zelnik: so much here in SL to learn, see, do, enjoy... until next time, ty very much all
Sasun Steinbeck: I've never done one of these meetings without a crash
Fasttoes Foden: perhaps you could organise tours... or recommend galleries to visit... there are so many in SL
Sasun Steinbeck: oh that is definitely on my list!
Fasttoes Foden: hard to know where to start
Mar Dwi: Sasun allready recommends galleries to visit on her website
Zeta Ida: I am Zeta Ida, gallery owner, named Carpe Diem, The Garden of Art & Inspiration. I come late but I will read the chat
Sasun Steinbeck: seeing that I have a galery tour hud that has a cool "guided tour" mode already built in and all!
Nima Benoir: Does anyone write a gallery blog?
Davideo Zelnik: I am overwhelmed with Beauty and Imagination
Ally Aeon: yes me
Sasun Steinbeck: Nima, please take a look at http://sasun.info. I have a consolidated gallery owner RSS feed that I'm working on there
Nima Benoir: Oh cool, I'll definatley check it out!
Teal Freenote: that's what keeps me here Davideo :) in sl
Ally Aeon: http://web.me.com/bruttin/S&S_Gallery_of_Fine_Arts/Home.html
Nima Benoir: Okay thanks
Sasun Steinbeck: this is a consolidated feed of all the websites and galleries that gallery kiosk owners specify in their kiosk settings
Davideo Zelnik: SL keeps getting bigger and better
Sasun Steinbeck: it's under construction and will be improvingin quality as time goes on
Mar Dwi: maybe this is a nice subject to talk about now: I'm very jealous of the educators who seem to be great friends with LL. What could the SL art scene do to get similar promo and discounts from LL?
Sasun Steinbeck: but I think that's one of the KEY ways gallery owners should promote their gallery - set up a simple blog for your gallery to announce events
Nima Benoir: Right??!!
Sasun Steinbeck: if I can get the consolidated feed going, that will be a great one-stop shopping palce to get all kinds of good gallery news
Sasun Steinbeck: hm good question Mar
Mar Dwi: I think Sasun's efforts are a step in the right direction
Cienega Soon: i agree Sasun
Cienega Soon: i will redo my blog and send you the link
Sasun Steinbeck: I am a huge fan of the Fashion World of SL feed
Nima Benoir: I'm surprised LL doesn't put more into promoting the cultural aspects of SL
Whet Snoodle: WooT!
Terje Chengpang: Sasun's "art galleries of sl" page is excellent
Sasun Steinbeck: I want to do that for gallery owners... it's actually done.. it works, just need to clean it up and improve the quality
Mar Dwi: could you give me the URL Sasun?
Sasun Steinbeck: so if you have a blog, stick it in your .User settings notecard in your kiosk and it will automatically be picked up for the consolidated feed
Sasun Steinbeck: http://sasun.info
Sasun Steinbeck: go there and subscribe to the RSS feed
Sasun Steinbeck: there's one for fashcon too that I'm working on as well
Mar Dwi: I meant the Fashion World SL
Sasun Steinbeck: oh!
Sasun Steinbeck: sorry
Sasun Steinbeck: 1 moment
Sasun Steinbeck: http://fashionplanet.worldofsl.com/
Molly Montale: http://fashionplanet.worldofsl.com/
Sasun Steinbeck: it's freaking huge
Sasun Steinbeck: you have to be dedicated to keep up with it lol
Mar Dwi: thanks!
Zeta Ida: yes, thanks Sasun
Sasun Steinbeck: I'd love to see one big RSS feed and all the gallery owners blogging away announcing their events, which automatically get picked up into the one consolidated feed that everyone can subscribe to to keep up with events, news, etc.
Mar Dwi: that would be great!
Teal Freenote: Thanks so much Sasun and great to meet you all .
Cienega Soon: yes id love to see that too
Sasun Steinbeck: so go home and start a blog, then put the URL to your blog in your .User Settings card in your gallery kiosk!
Mar Dwi: (I recently discovered RSS and love it)
Sasun Steinbeck: heheh yes
Terje Chengpang: very good idea!
Sasun Steinbeck: I'm a big fan of google reader
Sasun Steinbeck: but there are other good rss aggregators out there. Go explore, lots of galleries have blogs and feeds
Davideo Zelnik: I gotta go... my head and heart are full, thanks again, good to be here with you all.
Sasun Steinbeck: thanks for coming!
Terje Chengpang: osmosis amoebas. thank you Sasun!!!!
Nima Benoir: Where can we find it?
Cienega Soon: bye Davideo
Nima Benoir: When it's done?
Sasun Steinbeck: find what?
Nima Benoir: Or ready, lol,
Fasttoes Foden: i have to go now.... great to meet everyone
Nima Benoir: The log of this meeting,
Sasun Steinbeck: I will send it out
Fasttoes Foden: thanks again sasun
Sasun Steinbeck: both to the in world group and directly to the kiosk owners
Nima Benoir: Thanks so much, this was great, I'm out too, nice see all you fellow artists!
Cienega Soon: thanks Sasun ..bye everyone *waves*
Nima Benoir: : )
Sasun Steinbeck: take care!!!
Sasun Steinbeck: thanks for coming!
Sasun Steinbeck: so glad the sim held up to the strain lol
Sasun Steinbeck: we were bursting at the seams
Sasun Steinbeck: I think we hit 60 max?
Timothy Berkmans: very cool that we are still here... *grins
Ally Aeon: thanks again Sasun have to go
Zeta Ida: well, I live in Europe :)
Whet Snoodle: I am so glad that I could make it
Ally Aeon: bye everyone
Sasun Steinbeck: thanks for coming!
Molly Montale: I need to run. this was very cool, Sasun. thanks :)
Doran Forzane: and at one stage 15 child agents
Molly Montale waves
Whet Snoodle: bye
Sasun Steinbeck: ta ta!
Mar Dwi: maybe you've told this before Sasun but I was kinda distracted by my cat. If I link a blog to the kiosk, I can get an RSS feed of my blog together with all other blogs linked to the kiosk?
Sasun Steinbeck: yes
Sasun Steinbeck: exactly
Sasun Steinbeck: at http://sasun.info
Mar Dwi's jaw drops. That is absolutely amazing
Sasun Steinbeck: haha is that cool or what
Zena Zemlja: maybe it's a good idea to run a meeting of this goup every moonth or so, there are so many ideas to share
Sasun Steinbeck: I wrote a program that actually goes out to all the websites that people list in their kiosk settings and discovers any existing RSS feeds
Sasun Steinbeck: puts them all together into one consolidated feed, removing duplicates
Sasun Steinbeck: it's just out of date today, but I'll fix that real soon
Zeta Ida: it sounds interesting
Sasun Steinbeck: a lot of people put all kinds of weird things in for their website setting in their kiosk, like their cat website or business website or rwhatever
Sasun Steinbeck: so I have to weed those out manually
Sasun Steinbeck: but it's all automatic, just get a blog and put the url in there!
Sasun Steinbeck: it was an amazing pain in the ass getting that to work
Whet Snoodle: I woiuld think
Zachh Cale: oh I bet!!!
Sasun Steinbeck: I know more about the f*cked up RSS and atom standards than I ever want to know
Zachh Cale: Sasun you help create that networking infrastructure which keeps us together
Timothy Berkmans: lol
Whet Snoodle: Im being stubbourn about leaving I midded the forst 20 min. hehe
Sasun Steinbeck: that's my goal :)
Whet Snoodle: *missed
Sasun Steinbeck: well you can read teh chat log when I get that cleaned up
Zachh Cale: looks like you're succeeding
Sasun Steinbeck: well thank you, that makes me very happy :)
Sasun Steinbeck: I've seen this community grow for many years
Sasun Steinbeck: it's been incredibly exciting :)
Whet Snoodle: Do we need to remove existing Kiosks to place the new ones?
Sasun Steinbeck: no, not at all
Sasun Steinbeck: I do have a new kiosk design coming out soon
Whet Snoodle: ok thyank you
Mar Dwi: oh, I always wanted to ask you. How did you end up in the SL art scene to begin with? Your sculpture?
Sasun Steinbeck: but I'll send out info on that when it's ready
Sasun Steinbeck: yes Mar, exactly
Whet Snoodle: Witl this next version reflect on the Kiosk System owners versions soon after?
Sasun Steinbeck: I ran into Siefert Surface's sim
Sasun Steinbeck: and saw all his wild mathematical art
Sasun Steinbeck: and in trying to duplicate some of his crazy prims, I failed miserably
Sasun Steinbeck: so I tried scripting some prims to change shape
Sasun Steinbeck: that started me ona long journey to learn scripting
Sasun Steinbeck: next thing you know I have this sculpture that my old friend said was pretty neat looking
Doran Forzane: needs those old particals back in it though........lol
Sasun Steinbeck: and she stuck it in her gallery
Whet Snoodle: cool
Sasun Steinbeck: so I was a starving artist at one point lol
Sasun Steinbeck: shopping my wares around to various galleries trying to get in
Sasun Steinbeck: back then there was just a handful of galleries in SL
Sasun Steinbeck: hard to believe
Sasun Steinbeck: now, 650 and counting
Timothy Berkmans: wow
Zachh Cale: yes!
Sasun Steinbeck: hahah you like those old particles huh
Zena Zemlja smiles
Sasun Steinbeck: I've heard that froma few people :)
Doran Forzane: no, just someone we both know who does
Sasun Steinbeck: LOL
Sasun Steinbeck: well I've been lucky
Sasun Steinbeck: I pretty much fellin love with the artist community back then
Sasun Steinbeck: and have been nudging it along ever since then
Timothy Berkmans: with a few swift kicks as well?
Sasun Steinbeck: hahah and a few swift kicks
Sasun Steinbeck: Pathfinder Linden was maintaining the list of art galleries back then
Sasun Steinbeck: I took it from him since I kept sending him update after update
Whet Snoodle: Smatry gurl
Sasun Steinbeck: it was one less thing for him to do LOL
Mar Dwi smiles: I bet he apreciated that
Sasun Steinbeck: yes, even though it was only like a dozen galleries on the list
Sasun Steinbeck: he's just a slacker lol
Whet Snoodle: laughing
Sasun Steinbeck: after it got big it became an enormous pain in the butt to keep up to date
Sasun Steinbeck: big as in, over 50 or so
Sasun Steinbeck: so I wrote the kiosk system to make my life simpler
Sasun Steinbeck: now I can do updates of the in world list, the website, and the tour HUD in about 20 min a week
Sasun Steinbeck: plus a lot of running around checking closed galleries and missing kiosks
Whet Snoodle: Yes ppl that I have in my Kiosk System start and stop things without notice a lot
Mar Dwi: wow, that's less work than running a museum
Sasun Steinbeck: hahaha that's the goal
Sasun Steinbeck: you see I'm basically lazy
Zachh Cale: yeah real lazy
Sasun Steinbeck: I work hard at being lazy
Sasun Steinbeck: LOL
Zachh Cale: thats how all that got done
Whet Snoodle: Its an art
Sasun Steinbeck: the kiosks save me enormous time
Sasun Steinbeck: FashCon runs on the same system
Mar Dwi: I am lazier. I'm too lazy to learn to script, even if it could enable me to be lazier in future
Zachh Cale: is that a fashion list
Sasun Steinbeck: HAHAH
Sasun Steinbeck: yes it is, similar to my gallery list
Sasun Steinbeck: fashcon.com
Sasun Steinbeck: Honey Fairweather runs it
Sasun Steinbeck: so they have kiosks too, and tour HUDs - same as mine
Zachh Cale: don't you love SL names
Sasun Steinbeck: and a list on their website
Sasun Steinbeck: LOL
Whet Snoodle: We gotta have it
Whet Snoodle: Fashion is just as importand as any art form
Sasun Steinbeck: I hope to see more artists learn LSL
Sasun Steinbeck: yeah I'd agree Whet
Sasun Steinbeck: I'd love to see mroe crossover there
Sasun Steinbeck: I don't know what that means
Sasun Steinbeck: someone more imaginative than me will explore that space between both worlds, I'm sure :)
Whet Snoodle: Designers do all kinds of things at once clothes , art, design
Sasun Steinbeck: yes and they actually make money at what they do
Sasun Steinbeck: unlike most of us starvin' artists lol
Whet Snoodle: Keen pint
Zena Zemlja: some sl outfits are art
Sasun Steinbeck: yes I'd agree
Whet Snoodle: Point*
Zachh Cale: yeah, "art" and "revenue" rarely in same sentence
Sasun Steinbeck: I always tell new artist residents
Mar Dwi: well, there are loads of fashion designers in SL who don't make money. I used to be one :)
Sasun Steinbeck: if it's money you're after, make sex balls
Sasun Steinbeck: don't do art LOL
Sasun Steinbeck: do it for the love of it
Zena Zemlja: lol
Sasun Steinbeck: money may or may not come later
Sasun Steinbeck: you have to love it so much you don't care about the money to survive the hard times
Whet Snoodle: yes that is true to RL and a really good point
Sasun Steinbeck: yeah true of RL too
Sasun Steinbeck: people sometimes expect too much and dont' sell and view it as a personal failure or that peopel don't like their art
Whet Snoodle: many, many good young artists are discouraged because of that
Sasun Steinbeck: you just have to hang in there and keep at it for a long time
Sasun Steinbeck: yes
Mar Dwi: I try to tell newbie artists to think about why they want to show their art in SL and also to enjoy the interaction that comes with this unique platform
Whet Snoodle: They think they should automatically make money and when they don't ... stop
Timothy Berkmans: well, I think it is a case of trying to use all the resources at your leisure, being RL, SL, or other internet opportunites.
Zachh Cale: yes I've noticed so many artists spending too much time being gallery owners, but that is a personal judgment
Zena Zemlja: I use some of my art to make rugs or mats, and people are buying it, maybe I should try it on outfits to, lol
Sasun Steinbeck: excellent idea Mar
Sasun Steinbeck: yes Whet it's true. YOu have to set expectations that they won't
Mar Dwi: it's in my guide on selling art in SL btw. anyone interested, just IM me
Sasun Steinbeck: LOL Zena
Whet Snoodle: yep makes for positive art as a result as well from inside
Sasun Steinbeck: or artistic sex balls or guns or something
Doran Forzane: lol
Sasun Steinbeck: oh yes Mar that's a great guide
Sasun Steinbeck: you should send that out to the A&AN group
Mar Dwi: I'd love to see artists who make RL portraits to start making skins in SL
Sasun Steinbeck: it's been a long time
Zena Zemlja: hahahaha LOL Sasun
Sasun Steinbeck: wow interesting idea Mar
Mar Dwi: because the skin market is kind aboring
Sasun Steinbeck: it's huge too
Sasun Steinbeck: and crowded as hell
Zena Zemlja thinks of 3somes sexbeds with her art on th sheets on it, LOL
Sasun Steinbeck: LOL!
Zachh Cale: Do you still have Artist Mentors group
Mar Dwi: crowded but the quality isn't great :s
Sasun Steinbeck: yes we do, it's kind of been stagnating though
Sasun Steinbeck: but it's not quite dead yet
Sasun Steinbeck: we've just been distracted with other thingsn unfortunately
Timothy Berkmans: anyone here who are artists, also a writer? If so, instead of having a generic gallery, create a place that is interactive, where each work is a part of a story, with a notecard.. like a walking in a building and reading a comic.
Sasun Steinbeck: hmmmmm we need more wild ideas like that. I like that
Whet Snoodle: Hmmmm.. hat's an interesting take on interactiveness
Sasun Steinbeck: more artists to think like writers, clothing designers, architects, scripters
Sasun Steinbeck: etc.
Mar Dwi: I just got an idea after reading my own statements: seminars in SL skills for artists so they can find new media for their creativeness
Sasun Steinbeck: Feathers Boa did something along those lines lately
Sasun Steinbeck: yes Mar, I love that idea!
Mar Dwi: I'd love to see Treb Larkham flowers in 3d
Doran Forzane: there is one gallery in SL where the art is fully interactive with the visitor. When I find it again I will let Sasun know.
Sasun Steinbeck: I'd be willing to do one on scripting for artists perhaps
Nima Benoir gave you Meeting was AMAZING!.
Whet Snoodle: Any sales is like that.. If you can get it in their hands make them play a part they are more likely to buy
Zena Zemlja: speaking of photorealistic (looks up and see this is a mature sims): isn't it time someone makes us a good looking vagina for sl use? (would that be art too??)
Sasun Steinbeck: LOL depends on your point of view!
Whet Snoodle: indeed
Timothy Berkmans: well, we are learning where interaction is a key... There is a museum in my sim with the same concept.
Sasun Steinbeck: yes we need to really push the boundaries
Sasun Steinbeck: and cross over
Whet Snoodle: Any sales function works on that principle
Sasun Steinbeck: we have lots of 2D art in SL - maybe too much
Sasun Steinbeck: art in SL is ripe for some new innovation
Sasun Steinbeck: and I see it happening
Sasun Steinbeck: but more is better :)
Whet Snoodle: Yes the RL connection crossover is a stong bunding key
Whet Snoodle: *binding
Sasun Steinbeck: yes indeed
Whet Snoodle: SL is in the international news feeds a lot lately as well
Whet Snoodle: Good world wide exposure
Sasun Steinbeck: yeah I'd love to see more articles in RL art mags about what's going on in SL
Jackson Andrew: sorry, but i have to go, it's a very interesting meeting
Sasun Steinbeck: I think every art mag should have a regular column on what's going on in virtual worlds
Sasun Steinbeck: thanks for coming!
Jackson Andrew: work ask me
Sasun Steinbeck: I really need to go to
Zeta Ida: Bye Jackson
Timothy Berkmans: Sasun, thanks for hosting the meeting
Zachh Cale: Ciao all!!!
Jackson Andrew: bye all
Sasun Steinbeck: you're very welcome!
Sasun Steinbeck: thanks again everyone
Zena Zemlja: thank you Sasun
Jackson Andrew: thank you


  1. Great discussion Sasun, thanks for posting it. I know there are some smart scripters out there, and I wonder if anyone has made available scripting resources that help sl artists crossover, or some type of sl > web interface gadgets. I'm sure they're out there, if anyone could post a list of resources, I'd be eternally grateful :)

  2. Really sorry I missed that meeting. RL often gets in the way, I did tell Sasun I currently have a RL exhibit of portraits I have done for SL avatars. And I have been educating the local arts group about the possibilities that Second Life presents.
    Van Caerndow

  3. Greetings all,

    Sry I missed the meeting, was setting up a RL event at my sculpture studio in Chicago. The goal was to create a cross over event, with webcams to bring RL into SL, also tryed to steam a sound performance into SL as well, then with a digital projector, present SL to my RL guests.

    The projection aspect worked well, but had some bandwidth issues for the live streams.

    As a sculptor, I am most intrigues with SL's ability to allow peeps to see my work in the round (3D).

    I have read the transcripts for the meeting and it sounds like the beginning of a great conversation.

  4. Wish Alax and I could have been there. Great stuff. even with Filty's comments... lmao. Thanks, Sasun.

  5. Wonderful meeting Sasun!! Totally respect all that you do for the SL Art World! It was really cool being able to see some of the faces with the names I see in the Notices! All of SL is Art!! SL has inspired me to pick up my paintbrush again! I DO love my SL!! See ya all next meeting! (Waving)!!

  6. I sure wish I could have been at this meeting. The focus of my gallery (Siann Beck Gallery Watersedge) from its inception has been to bring new artistic blood in to SL. This gallery is my first venture into the art world, and it has been quite a learning experience. The first challenge was getting artists to exhibit. I wanted artists whose work had not been seen in SL, and preferably who themselves were not SL Residents. Further, I preferred artists whose RL exposure was limited -- undiscovered gems, in other words.

    As I searched for artists to exhibit, only the first point was a firm rule: no existing SL presence. Nonetheless, it was quite a challenge. I searched the web and Usenet for artists whose work I liked and felt would suit my vision for the gallery, and ultimately ended up emailing about 35. In my initial mailing I provided little detail, and I think this was a mistake. In subsequent contacts, I explained a little of what SL is (and isn't), presented commission rates (25%) and explained some of my vision for the gallery. In all, I heard back from perhaps a dozen artists. Some were not interested, some expressed interest, but never got back to me after the initial followup. There were two or three I really hoped to get, who declined. But in the end, I got six very talented artists. I hope to open other galleries in the future (in fact the second one is in the planning stages), and hopefully will be able to get some of the arists I missed before.

    Designing and building the gallery and arranging the exhibits were also interesting experiences, but not particularly related to crossover, and probably pretty routine issues for most here, so I'll save those for another time.

    Thanks for hosting this, Sasun, and for all you do for the art community. I hope we can do this on a regular basis! Just reading the transcript, I got some great ideas!

    (P.S. Regarding what Mar said about skins: my dream is to one day have a skin made by Hajime Sorayama!)