Sasun Steinbeck: Hi Dwayanu, do you have a moment?
Dwayanu Weyland: What's up ?
Sasun Steinbeck: well it looks like there is a big problem with your art gallery in Leelight
Sasun Steinbeck: Maybe you don't realize that you are selling copyrighted content
Sasun Steinbeck: which is illegal
Dwayanu Weyland: and your ownership of those rights is what??
Sasun Steinbeck: what I have rights to isn't what I'm talking about. I'm talking about what you are doing
Sasun Steinbeck: you can't sell content you don't rights to sell in SL
Sasun Steinbeck: do you have permission from the copyright holders to sell this art?
Dwayanu Weyland: and i suppose you've checked with the 50 or 60 other galleries that sell perhaps Picasso's ??
Sasun Steinbeck: if you can give me landmarks to them, I'd be glad to ask them
Sasun Steinbeck: however, what other galleries do or don't do has no relevance to what you do, nor does it excuse you from selling stolen content
Dwayanu Weyland: SL has a gadget called Search. use the All tab, type in "PIcasso", you'll get lists
Sasun Steinbeck: thank you I will do that
Sasun Steinbeck: maybe you just didn't realize that what you are doing is illegal and unethical
Dwayanu Weyland: I find the american idea that they own the internet amusing and annoying both. I would point out that the typical sale price in my gallery is about 35 pence real, which is below the legal boundary for copyright violations. I also don't see anybody trying to extradite the ill-gotten gains.
Sasun Steinbeck: it's illegal to even display copyrighted images without permission, it doesn't even matter of you make a dime or not. SL is a commercial application that benefits from the display of art in galleries such as yours, but I'd guess that it does look worse if you do make a profit, which you are, even though it isn't much
Dwayanu Weyland: i don't care a lot for your silly laws, tho obviously i'm subject to the Linden's judgements. Last I checked with them, museum reproductions were fine.
Sasun Steinbeck: oh? and where did you see that
Sasun Steinbeck: perhaps I am confused
Dwayanu Weyland: i can also point out that it is the photographed images which are copyrighted, not the paintings.
Dwayanu Weyland: if any of my images have watermarks, then i'm certainly at fault.
Sasun Steinbeck: I think you are wrong on that last point
Sasun Steinbeck: for example the M.C. Esher copyright says "No part of this website and or works by M.C. Escher may be reproduced or transmitted in any form or by any means, electronic or mechanical, including photocopying, recording, or any information storage and retrieval system"
Sasun Steinbeck: so that makes it pretty clear. most copyright notices are similar
Dwayanu Weyland: i can walk in to the National Museum and photograph a painting, and if i escape security ;-) ;) ;-), i'm home free.
Sasun Steinbeck: that doesn't mean you can sell that photograph or even display it without permission, unless it falls under fair use guidelines. which this most certainly does not
Dwayanu Weyland: you obey everything you are told ! good to have sheep in the world.
Sasun Steinbeck: content theft is wrong, no matter what you may think, it is unethical and illegal
Dwayanu Weyland: I realise you represent the hundreds of poor to middling and very rarely good sl artists, who are frustrated at being incapable of selling their work, because nobody will buy it.
Sasun Steinbeck: your opinions do not change the fact that what you are doing is selling stolen art
Dwayanu Weyland: garbage
Sasun Steinbeck: no, that's a fact
Sasun Steinbeck: I can see it for myself
Dwayanu Weyland: you are appying your laws to me. try again.
Sasun Steinbeck: it's not my laws, obviously
Dwayanu Weyland: you don't like it. sorry. to quote (not phillip, but I don't remember which) one of the Lindens, "shit happens"
Sasun Steinbeck: I will be contacting some of the copyright holders of your stolen art and letting them know exactly how to file a DMCA against you
Sasun Steinbeck: if they choose not to pursue, you have nothing to worry about
Dwayanu Weyland: And if they do, I suppose i'll have to ask the Lindens for your real identity, so my lawyer can contact you
You know it's frustrating that I can't just abuse report this sea of absolutely blatant copyright violations to LL and expect them to do something about it. Is this all worth the trouble, and now legal threats? Maybe it would be better to not even talk to art thieves and just go directly to the copyright holders with anonymous info on how to file a DMCA. If they choose to do nothing about it, then that's the end of that. Lately it seems that the art thieves I'm finding know full well exactly what they are doing and just don't care, so talking to them directly to get them to "do the right thing" is completely ineffective. I am really feeling on the side of the content creators that are suing LL over this mess, since I believe LL can and MUST play a more active role in stopping at LEAST the most blatant copyright theft in SL.